This evening, around 9:44 p.m., someone was attacked near the intersection of North Greenview and West Estes Avenues; which is approximately 7040 North Greenview.
The unidentified victim was assaulted by two African-American boys between the age of 12 and 13-years-old.
One of the alleged offenders was wearing a black and white White Sox hat and the other juvenile was wearing a black baseball cap.
The teens were last seen headed eastbound on Estes Avenue.
HOLY CRAP! NOW we have to watch out for 12-13 year olds? WTH! What are these "kids" doing out at that time? Where are their parents? Curfew should be 9:00 pm not 10:00 pm! By the time their 16, they'll be full blown criminals.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't believe the ages either, but that's the description the complainant gave.
ReplyDeleteI guess it makes sense. Even when they're babies, snakes are still snakes. :-)
I'm watching a news report on the "tiger mom"..she's got the right idea for sure! No wonder the chinese children are not criminals! Forget that "teddy bear mom" crap! Children need discipline, less TV and video games, less tech items, more support and education. Than maybe these 12-13 year olds can grow up to be contributing members of society.
ReplyDeleteTowanda, in most cases the parents aren't disciplined or educated people. An education has no value and their children are mere inconveniences to them.
ReplyDeleteThe angry, scared little boys who join gangs, are looking for the love their families, especially their fathers, never gave them.
If that's true, than girls need to "keep them closed and boys need to keep it zipped up". I don't think if I were looking for love at that age, I would assault someone...where's the love there? Where's Grandma? I realize that gangs are a lure for the replacement of what these kids are not getting but, as the President said, "It begins at home" and while that may be a tough nut to crack, teachers can step in, other families or grandma or grandpa. Being "blind" is not an option. Catch them early and maybe they have a shot. It's not impossible:) On the other hand, "in a perfect world"....
ReplyDeleteBased on the years of psyche literature I've read, the violence and the feelings of worthlessness stem from the child's inability to bond with their parents, in most cases, their mothers.
ReplyDeleteI make this distinction because a lot of these boys never had a father, and in some instances, have no idea who their father is.
The acts of violence are a way of retaliating against their internal demons/pain.
Statistically, these thugs would never kill their own mother or the father that abandoned them and made them feel worthless. But as you can see, they HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH KILLING YOU OR ME.
You can't be filled with rage, unless there's a large part of you that hates yourself.
Think about it for a minute. Most crimes are intraracial. The victims and perps are of the same race. Most of the shootings in Chicago involve black gunmen who SHOOT OTHER BLACK PEOPLE.
Unless we're talking about self-defense, you have to be full of rage to shoot someone just for the hell of it. And if you are continually targeting people that LOOK LIKE YOU, what does that say about the way you feel about yourself?
WOW Timothy, do you teach somewhere where I can enroll in your class? Very informative! I hope these boys get saved...on the other hand, I also don't want to run into them.
ReplyDeleteI felt like I was rambling. Glad it made sense.
ReplyDeleteThe sad part is, some people can't be saved.
Timothy,
ReplyDeleteI disagree. During the Second World War, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afghanistan War and other "skirmishes", "hundreds" of boys of various cultures lost their fathers. Some of these boys had substitute fathers via grandfathers, uncles, stepfathers, mothers' boyfriends, coaches, clergy, teachers, etc. Some had nobody. Somehow, a lot (?) of these "lost" boys made it, but some didn't. The same is true for boys who had their fathers-some made it, some didn't.
What about boys who have two Lesbian Moms, but no fathers as parents? Are those boys "lost" too?
On the flip side, why aren't their equal number of girls feeling the same way for not having a mother, for the war or two Gay Fathers reasons then?
Timothy,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about rage. Where is the Black Church, the one institution still present from slavery days? Why are guns preached as the evil villains, but not the person pulling the trigger? Why are excuses made for bad behavior, when God says "Thou shalt not..." or "man" says "Don't do this..."?
In the 1960s, when governmental programs (which some call handouts) greatly expanded via JFK and LBJ, another change occurred-the Godless society. The more God was taken out of society, the more governmental programs via community activists, social workers, etc. said "Hey, you're a victim who's entitled to this, because something/someone wronged you".
Morality and accountability was thrown out of the window. Instead of a hand-up, the giveaway (i.e. which morphed into welfare) became a handout, which mixed with no morals (ethics for atheists) on the government and people sides is dangerous. Government handouts to businesses (i.e. corporate welfare) is even worse, because no accountability is even expected. Where's the moral (or ethical) outrage over corporate welfare companies unwillingness to provide decent jobs with at least some benefits?
For those who say "That's racism!", here's a perspective to chew on:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2009/04/23/senator-jones-weighs-in
scroll down or [Ctrl] [F] to --> Micah
and read what "poor baby" said.
Rudy, you too, where is your class so I can sign up? Very smart analogy using the gay parents and the various wars! There are some thought provoking responses in both:) I guess maybe I was trying to get to that when I asked where grandma was.
ReplyDeleteThe bottom line, for me, is that SOME black "parents (and I use that term lightly) don't care about the children they bring into the world. Thus, those children are often the criminals of tomorrow and are "raised" by society. It starts with the girls, if they wouldn't "open them up" the boys wouldn't be "unzipping" and IF they have to screw around, why aren't they using birth control? Why aren't these "fathers being held responsible or meant to even fell responsible? Is there something in their beliefs that prevents them from using birth control? Most get free medical so it's not like they have to pay for birth control.
I just don't get it. Because I take the bus, I can't tell you how many "children" I see get on the buses with "children", sometimes a couple "children". Their lives are pretty much wrecked so that's how their "children's" lives will be unless someone steps in.
How many grandparents end up raising their grandchildren or even great-grandchildren? This is an issue that really needs to be addressed.
I have read "poor baby" and that person is so right on. Thanks for sharing that link as well:)
IT STARTS AT HOME!
Rudy said: I disagree. During the Second World War, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afghanistan War and other "skirmishes", "hundreds" of boys of various cultures lost their fathers. Some of these boys had substitute fathers via grandfathers, uncles, stepfathers, mothers' boyfriends, coaches, clergy, teachers, etc. Some had nobody. Somehow, a lot (?) of these "lost" boys made it, but some didn't. The same is true for boys who had their fathers-some made it, some didn't.
ReplyDeleteLosing someone who loves you and falling back on a stable support system is not the same as never being loved at all. The most important factor in a child's life is having people who love, nurture, and provide a safe and healthy environment.
But I agree with one of your points. Coming from a loving home doesn't guarantee success and coming from a dysfunctional home doesn't guarantee failure.
However, you need to consider the fact that people respond differently to the same stimuli. What's makes me stronger, may break the next man.
Rudy said: On the flip side, why aren't their equal number of girls feeling the same way for not having a mother...
Rudy, are you are of the teen pregnancy rate and the number of abortions performed in this country? Not to mention the number of women who repeatedly put themselves in harm's way by systematically hitching their wagons to abusive men.
If you ask me, just as many girls are victims of the same circumstances.
Hi Timothy,
ReplyDeleteLosing someone who loves you and falling back on a stable support system is not the same as never being loved at all. The most important factor in a child's life is having people who love, nurture, and provide a safe and healthy environment.
Yes, this is true and I agree.
I used war as an example, because war cuts across every racial/ethnic group.
Before (or while) being born, some Black Males (and other males) lost their fathers to war without ever knowing them. Presumably, they are fatherless, unless another father figure appears.
Common sense wise, love, nurturing and environment all play a role too, which I understand. However, these items are generally omitted in favor (lose use of the word) of "He's a Black Male with no father!"
However, you need to consider the fact that people respond differently to the same stimuli. What's makes me stronger, may break the next man.
Yes, this is true and I agree.
Whether it's Mayfair Mall, Water Tower, Rogers Park, Uptown, etc., why are the "main" groups of criminals Black Males? For the most part, "we" aren't reading about Hispanic Males, Asian Males, White Males and/or Black Females.
Rudy, are you are of the teen pregnancy rate and the number of abortions performed in this country? Not to mention the number of women who repeatedly put themselves in harm's way by systematically hitching their wagons to abusive men.
Timothy, yes I'm aware of the rates for teenage pregnancies, abortions, abusive males and the mostly (?) runaway females.
Hi towanda! :)
ReplyDeleteI don't have a class, but thanks for signing up. :)
Unless it's rape, I don't understand the non-usage of contraceptives by both genders.
On public transit, I see children with babies (or "children") too. :(
Rudy, spend time in New York, Arizona, California, or Mexico and you'll see that Latinos grab more than their share of headlines in those areas.
ReplyDeleteThe violence in Mexico is brutal, travel agents and cruise liners are canceling trips to Mexico!
During the winter months, I usually spend time in Arizona. Sheriff Joe Arpaio's jail is full of Hispanic men and women.
I agree that based on my own reporting, most of the crimes committed in Chicago are perpetrated by young black men. And before I started this blog, I had no idea African-Americans were involved in so many crimes ALL OVER the city. :-(
Timothy, I'm aware of the (inter)national crimes. :)
ReplyDeleteIn some/most (?) of the places you mentioned, Latinos (or Hispanics) are the majority (or close to it).
In Chicago, Blacks (or African Americans) are no longer the majority-Latinos are. Logically, the majority of the criminals should be Latino.
Oh why is it that when something like this happens, these kind of discussion boards can so quickly fill up with panicked psuedo-psychology like all the above comments. Ever think that this may be about the gentrification of areas like Rogers Park. People like the commenters here cannot even fathom that many long-time residents are less than stoked about the fact that all the affordable housing has been transformed into condominiums for middle class white people. Of course, if you were to ever take that into account you would also have to think about your own psychology--lets call it the psychology of a panicked gentrifying class--rather than only the psychology of low-income black youth.
ReplyDeleteLet me guess, you dont want to sign up for my class?